I got a lot of nice comments about my Lilliputians post. The comments made me think more about why the two parties just can’t seem to face up to current economic issues in the way many of us would like to see. Unlike some of my other posts, this one takes me out of my comfort zone and into what I would call pure conjecture. This is the kind of stuff one talks about in the bar after having one too many JDs.
In my last post I conjectured that it might be better now to view our economic issues as an interrelated set of challenges that would be better handled as a single set rather than in piecemeal fashion. I argued that both parties could get plenty of credit by taking a more holistic approach and that the resulting policies would be an improvement of what we have been seeing lately. While liberals might be partially pleased with recent progress in some policies (In particular healthcare, stimulus, and financial reform) much of what was legislated was done without conservative support and the path forward with respect to those and other policies now seems even harder to travel. While much might be decided by the coming November elections, there is no guarantee that this will produce anything beyond a stalemate.
So not much is going to change and we seem stuck with politicians who seem more concerned with pleasing the extreme wings of their parties than with solving our pressing economic problems. This seems crazy and wrong since no party is going to have the muscle or support to make the compromises that will produce the right kinds of policies—those that address the cause and effect of the issues.
The question then is why we are stuck in Macroeconomic Purgatory. Here is where I take a big gulp of JD and move ahead unsteadily. My conjecture is that none of these politicians took Econ 101 from Art Benavie at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. I was very lucky to have been accepted into the PhD program in Economics at UNC in 1973. I was a teaching assistant for Prof. Benavie and learned a lot from listening to his lectures to freshmen. I learned a lot from him (as well as from Dick Froyen, Roger Waud, and the many other folks involved with the Macro Seminar) but one thing that stood out was the point that policies for income redistribution should be handled separately from those of macroeconomic efficiency and growth. I believe this is a point that Milton Friedman also articulated and espoused. Regardless of where it originated, Prof. Benavie made it come alive in the classroom in Chapel Hill. It all seemed so clear. There was one axiom – you cannot have an economic issue or policy without the problem or the policy having an implication for income redistribution. Benavie’s conclusion was that income distribution should to be treated separately from other issues.
Let me try to give an example that relates to macroeconomics. Macro is the study of the economy of a nation or region. It does not seek to model or explain the behaviors of individual persons or sectors – rather it sees the economy as a whole. So let’s suppose the nation has high unemployment or slow growth. The NATION, therefore, is operating inefficiently. The MACRO ISSUE is that the system is not working as it should or could. The MACRO ISSUE is that workers and the goods and services they make are less than the amounts that ought to be hired and produced. But notice – the story doesn’t end there. The recession also has uneven impacts on persons and sectors. Perhaps the white goods market is more negatively impacted than others. Maybe the Northeast is hurting more than the South. Low income persons may be impacted more than those with higher incomes.
The main point here is that Macro problems always come with unequal and negative impacts on various persons, sectors, regions, etc. BUT MACRO POLICIES ARE ALWAYS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THE MACRO PROBLEMS. MACRO POLICIES are not designed to deal with the numerous and myriad individual impacts of recessions.
Hearing this you might retort – that’s exactly what’s wrong with macro. How can you not care about all these uneven impacts on people and companies and sectors and so on? But I would snort this retort – a chain saw is a great tool to bring down a dead tree. A chain saw kicks butt when it comes to bringing down a tree. But if you use your chain saw to provide the missing shade or to replace the beauty of the tree, you might be barking up the wrong tree. Sorry – I just couldn’t help myself. But you see the point. To replace the shade provided by the tree – you might be better off with a shovel to dig a hole for another tree. To replace the beauty of the tree you might want to paint the new lovely lawn flamingos you purchased at the limestone store.
You can care a lot about the missing shade and the loss of beauty but if the tree is dead, then you need a tool designed to deal with that problem. You can use other tools for the shade/beauty issue. Similarly in macro, you need macro tools for the recessionary conditions – and other policies and tools for the micro issues. And the traditional MACRO TOOLS are notoriously not designed for the many micro problems – while they are, like the shovel, focused on one problem -- remediating MACRO PROBLEMS.
When I speak of the traditional MACRO TOOLS I specifically refer to monetary and fiscal policy. Since Keynes’ ideas were first cast into a modern macro model by Sir John Hicks and others – the profession has articulated (and debated) using monetary and fiscal policy to target real GDP and employment. These tools can’t do everything. Monetary and fiscal policy do not guarantee any level of effectiveness at moving real GDP or employment – just as a particular chain saw might not always take down the tree. But at least you know it is the right kind of tool for the problem. Most economists would agree, however, that monetary and fiscal policy are NOT designed or appropriate for solving the energy crisis, making American an export dynamo, reducing poverty, or saving education. We view other tools as being superior for those problems.
Congress apparently never got the message – because we hold macro policy hostage to other issues – especially income distribution. Prof Benavie would say – use a Macro Policy for the recession. Then check and see how that might impact income distribution. If income distribution is worsened by the Macro Policy, then design a specific policy to solve that issue. Don’t let the income distribution ramifications cause you to alter the Macro Policy. If you want to do something about incomes of the poor or the middle class – don’t use a chain saw or Macro Policy – use a policy specifically designed to help people move up in the income distribution..
But notice what we argue about tirelessly. Should the Bush-era tax cuts for the rich be extended? Should the Fed expand its program to buy mortgage securities so rates on mortgages will be driven lower and funds be made more available to people who otherwise could not buy houses? Should unemployment benefits be extended for months to provide income for a group measuring probably less than 5% of the US population? Should we direct extra stimulus spending to poor people on Medicaid? The list goes on and on.
Notice that I am not denigrating the need to have policies designed to improve the distribution of income. What I am saying is that Macro Policy cannot and should not solve income distribution problems. If we want to raise GDP or employment let’s debate Macro Policy on its Macro Merits. If we want to improve the income distribution, let’s have debates and legislation designed for that. Failing to understand this simple point means that it is going to be next to impossible to get good policy. It is much too easy for any populist politician (is that redundant?) to use income distribution as the excuse to not stand behind good macro policy. There will always be compromises in policy but watering down a macro policy to achieve income distribution goals is not a positive compromise since it means less than desirable policies for economic growth and income distribution. Preferable would be simultaneous passage of separate and specific policies designed for macro and income distribution. As I suggested above, this would imply a holistic approach to policy – not a sequential and piecemeal approach. As a result, instead of getting a nice burger and fries, we will be presented with mush.
Tuesday, September 7, 2010
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ReplyDeleteWhen we talk about the GDP and policies to make it grow better...and not address what is making up the GDP now Versus better times ....then we cannot adequately develop policies that will accomplish the desired growth...assuming such a growth rate is feasible or even obtainable. For example, in the past 10 years the US’s GDP was 4 x larger than the next closest nation. Yeah! However, that value was based on a false economy driven by churning stock, housing speculation, easy credit and lower taxes. It was not based on the development of strong sustainable economic opportunities. When the bubble burst and the layers of skin were peeled off of the onion we began to see that the garden was short lived and was growing in sand. It needed cultivation and good supporting soil, minerals and water at a cost that would enable the sale of the produce to make a reasonable profit. The analogy is that the US was boasting of a bumper crop which was artificially supported.
We all know that in human history, balance and equilibrium are good things. To have a sustainable economy there needs to be balance. Our forefathers put together a government system that has checks and balances at every juncture. What has happened is the left and right no longer represents the people. Their idea of income distribution has nothing to do with the "What Works” party.....the majority of the people. To use the right tools the gardener must have an idea of where he wants his garden to be not just this year but in the future. He must set benchmarks to measure progress and organize around his objectives as well as anticipate what may affect this progress and then have the tools ready to prevent or mitigate the affect of those variables....in essence he needs to have a business plan. Our congress does not have a plan...only fragments based on ideology and not practicality. They cannot see the future let alone plan for it.
What to do?
Thanks for the comments Jim. Let's see what some of the others say about what to do...
ReplyDeleteThere seems to be an ongoing debate about incremental verses holistic solutions to problems. Dr. Jim Frank was the public policy guy who taught classes at FSU's Dept of Urban and Regional Planning. He often made the point that tax policy should be based on creating govt revenue; not on changing public policy. Tax law related to housing has resulted in very distorted allocation of resources in favor of individual home ownership (at least IMHO). It might be better to eliminate the interest deduction and give make direct payments to home buyers if increased home ownership is the real goal. There are many other examples of how tax policy has distorted market equilibrium. Not to mention other public policy decisions. Unemployment insurance extension is one good example; over one third of peeps get a job within a week of the end of their unemployment eligibility. Not to mention many papers by smart guys about the down side of extended unemployment insurance coverage.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I am biased towards the importance of tax policy; possibly because of my academic background and work with a Regional Development Center. But no one seems to disagree that tax policy often distorts allocation of resources; both in where they are allocated in the market sector and perhaps as important where they are located geographically.
Not to get into a "which came first the chicken or the egg" argument; but macro policy seems to depend on tax policy providing funds. And tax policy can also overwhelm macro policy if the tax policy is really bad.
One classic example of this is Hauser's Law, which basically states "No matter what the tax rates have been, in postwar America tax revenues have remained at about 19.5% of GDP." Here is the wiki link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauser%27s_Law
Critics do point out the ratio of individual to corporate revenue has changed, but there does seem to be some relationship between GDP and tax revenue no matter what the marginal rate is.
As long as we have a tax code which makes NASA's moon landing seem like a simple physics experiment I see little hope to expect a good macro plan.
What to do is to let deleveraging play out. No one ever said that life or economic opportunity was fair and no amount of government manipulation will make it so.
ReplyDeleteThere are so many issues involved in income redistribution (education, for one) that are not being addressed. To your early point: vote for out of the box thinkers.
JD is hard to come by in France. Have to make do with the local product: Burgundy wine.
Hey Jim Hanlon -- thanks for the comment. As for France -- a nice Cognac might not be bad! AS for the fairness of life, I used to tell me kids they would do best if they thought of the world like a caveman. There are lions and tigers outside of the cave. You will do best if you make sure you can defend yourself. No one else has the same motivation to defend you and your family. My kids would laugh and be confirmed that their father was a lunatic.
ReplyDeleteMike,
ReplyDeleteJust a couple of points. You might have noticed that taxes are no longer 19.5% of GDP. They are more than 25% now with no real hope of reduction. I agree that tax rates can be highly distorting. While I too am pessimistic about the passage of a good macro policy, I do believe that the languishing economy won't be tolerated for long. So we will either continue to get bad ideas for policy or some new leader will pop up who has some better approaches. The new rising distaste against more stimulus spending gives me some hope....
Mr. LSD. Always enjoy your ability to dumb-down econ – I think I get it better each blog. My take-away from this one is that federal govomit should focus on macro policy stuff – e.g. national, regional – and refrain from micro – e.g. income distribution policy, income taxes, etc. I like the idea of fed govomit staying atop with macro stuff only . . . . just imagine, we could simply hire a bunch of macro guys to make macro policy and fire the rest of the federal govomit bureaucrats (especially politicians) and let the free market/private sector work out the messy micro stuff at the state, local levels. Hm-m-m-m, less federal fecklessness and more local interaction, insight, input, and control.
ReplyDeleteWow, what a perfect storm.
Dear Tuna,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the nice words but I hate to refer to all this as dumbing down! But I know what you mean. As for your take-away -- I see your point but I am afraid we are never going to get the feds out of all these areas. So if we can't stop them, then at least we can hope they will do it more intelligently.
Hope they can do it more intelligently? Like hope and change?
ReplyDeleteHi Larry,
ReplyDeleteMy take on Hauser's Law is the term "postwar America". From the end of WWII until probably 2008 the idea that the fed tax revenue was just under 20% of the GDP worked. At that point in time massive spending, hard for me to understand money policy, and a recession like nothing I have seen in my life time seemed to result in a sea change.
Maybe when we got a "post racial prez" we left the postwar America era. I feel comfortable saying peeps our age agree when we were at Gables we would not recognize todays America.
But back to the topic at hand. How do you define "federal tax revenue"? At one point you might say custom's revenue was the biggest source and the customs guy from NYC was viewed as a stepping stone to prez because of the power associated with that office. Then income tax was passed, but was collected at single digit rates; and not from every citizen. I am not sure how much income tax my grandparents paid. My Dad was a medical doctor and always paid big bucks to a tax guy so he would not have to pay even bigger bucks to Uncle Sugar. He would often tell me he made more money from his money being invested by others than he ever made "saving lives and stomping out disease".
I know I spend what seems like way too much time dealing with my savings, income, stock broker, lawyer, and family members to reduce my tax liability. I would much rather spend that time taking pix in the national parks; but understand to pay for my nice cameras and RV to travel I have to figure out how to keep more than 25% of my money instead of paying it to the govt. But more to the point I am not alone in this activity.
Most wealthy people, companies, foundations, or what ever hire clever people to reduce their tax rate. My take is these clever people would be a much bigger benefit to society if they were discovering a cure for cancer or some equally beneficial thing instead of twisting the tax laws to reduce payments to the govt.
This is not to say the govt does not have some smart guys too. SS, SSI, Medicare, Medicaid, and UI just to name a few are tax bills almost no one can get out of. Not to mention they all seem to be running in the red. Should they really be counted in the 25% number you post? Maybe, but SS clearly is not a "tax" in the traditional sense; it is more like insurance, and under priced insurance at that. Same for lots of other govt programs running in the red.
As Hauser points out (and I agree with this) when marginal tax rates increase too much the first thing that happens is the ratio of payments from corporations and individuals changes. More to the point when marginal tax rates on the rich get higher then the poor pay a higher portion of the total fed tax revenue. But to make matters worse the GDP stagnates, or may even decrease, so not only do the "not wealthy" have to pay a bigger portion of the federal tax total, they have to do so in a bad economy.
Do you have numbers on what portion of the 25% number you posted came from the rich compared to what portion of the ~19% Hauser cites in the post war period he deals with came from the rich?
Also what are your thoughts on how SS, SSI, Medicare, Medicaid, and UI should be treated. Are they really part of federal tax revenue the way income tax is, or should they be put in a different bucket?
To me the biggest problem with the current tax code is not so much that it is unfair (which it probably is), rather that it distorts investment resulting in problems that macro policy can not deal with.
Mike,
ReplyDeleteI can't begin to answer all your questions here. So I will focus on a couple of them. The impacts of taxes and tax rates is a very big topic. As far as what is included in the 25% I mentioned, most of it is income and payroll taxes. That includes contributions for SS and medicare. But if you look closely at the accounting, the government separates income received for SS in what's called the off-budget part. Nevermind, the off-budget part is actually integrated with the so-called on-budget in the total figures that are reported. If you want to see specifics you can go to either OMB.gov or CBO.gov and get reems of data on how the government both spends and receives its income. The way the government sees it -- they try to meet certain social goals. They spend money on defense, SS, and much more. To spend it, they have to raise it in taxes. The higher tax rates we are seeing now are because many presidents, including Bush and Obama, oversaw large increases in government spending that had to be paid for. Even with the large increases in taxes it wasn't enough to cover the expenses -- so we also have higher deficits. The worst thing about this is that the more government spends, the more the private sector is crowded out. This hurts long-term growth, employment, poverty, and more.
Charlie,
ReplyDeleteI think the genie is out of the bottle and there is only a small chance that anything really intelligent will happen. But you are right, hope isn't enough. When stuff swings too far right, this mobilizes opposing leadership and we swing left. When it seems obvious that direction is wrong, we get some opposition that leads us back to the right. As you said -- hope and change. That might be the best we can ask for. Didn't you always want to be a swinger? :-)
Hi Larry,
ReplyDeleteI am not sure what the worst thing about more govt spending. For some time states have been concerned about what they call unfunded mandates. Stuff like Medicaid, extended UI, and currently the Health Care Bill just passed not only eat up federal tax revenue; they obligate the states to pay money they will have to raise taxes to get.
Problem is that while the states have to raise taxes (cuz by law they can't deficit spend) the feds have no problem printing money or using other accounting tricks to spend money they do not have. But even worse the feds are borrowing money to spend. We are quickly getting to the point where SS, Medicare/Medicaid, UI, or defense spending will cost less than the interest on this borrowed money.
At some point no tax policy or macro policy will be able to over come the inability of the feds to borrow money; that may well be the worst thing about too much fed spending.
Mike,
ReplyDeleteMost of what you say is true but I don't believe that we are at the point where it can't be fixed. Will they fix it? I don't know but I think that when things get worse there will be pressure for a fix. It is sort of like the alcoholic who finally gives in to treatment. It takes a lot of pain to get him/her to that point. And by waiting, the treatment really hurts...but perhaps less than the disease. There are fixes to government deficits and debt and there are ways to cover the unfunded liabilities -- but it is going to hurt. Politicians will let us take the hurt only when the status quo seems worse than the fix.