Here is the
first paragraph of the article, “The Dow Jones
Industrial Average staged its best two-week performance since the 1930s, a dramatic rebound
that has left many investors with a confounding reality: soaring share
prices and a floundering economy.”
This is the
kind of journalism that drives me nuts and of course supplies me with nice topics
to vent about. There are several points to be made about this paragraph.
First, it
uses the words “soaring share prices.” Even the graph in the article is highly
misleading. It never explains that the soaring prices are from an incredibly
low starting point. No duh. The market declined a lot. My numbers show that the
S&P 500 average declined about 30% from February 19 to March 16. Hmmm…no mention
of that. Just soaring prices.
It's like
noting that your mother gained 10 pounds this week while failing to disclose that
she lost 50 pounds the week before.
Second, in a
similar vein, it says the S&P staged its best two-week performance since the
1930s. But folks, even after this “huge” increase, the S&P value remained at
around 2800. That still puts it well below the high in February of 3390. My
calculator says the S&P value was still about 20% below its value in
February 2020.
It’s like saying
that little Jimmy’s grades went up a whole bunch but failing to note that he still has a D
average.
Third, the
article implies that there is something strange or wrong about a stock market
that rises as the economy is floundering. I think I covered that point in a
recent post.
The stock market says little about the strength of the economy
today. Its value mostly registers expectations about the future. So, there is
no story about contemporaneous changes in the S&P and the economy.
What’s left
to say, therefore, concerns expectations about the future economy. And with
regard to that I would venture a guess that however floundering the economy is
right now, its performance in the coming year will likely be much worse. Did I
say much worse? Yes.
Is the stock
market today fully absorbing a very dismal future economy? I doubt it. Given the low
values of the S&P today, it seems to have at least partially digested a
very crappy future economy.
Do investors
today fully appreciate the depth and duration of the coming recession? I doubt
it. While the S&P values are not soaring, they clearly might still be too
high given the reality of the future recession.
I am
guessing that stock values will continue to fluctuate a lot – and perhaps
around a very slight downward trend as we come to realize just how stubborn this recession is going to be.
And with
that stock market prediction, I will end this magnificent post by reminding you
what Sonny Davidson said to me more than once, “If you are so smart, Larry, then why ain’t
you rich?”
Very true. Lots of things coming to pass that are results from much more going on than the virus. Plus the time line. I Florida, the state has only paid 1/3 of the applied for unemployment. As far as small business loans 60% of the applications were rejected, that does not include the large companies that took some and had to pay it back. Add that to the election year and whatever reporting is done with major bias depending on who s supplying the news. Then if we reopen and the employees come back to work but the consumer is not buy because they are scared..... how many businesses will be financially wrecked? How much supply of product can be made and how long will all of this last? There is no investment guru whose crystal ball or mathematics model is good enough to predict a good or bad outcome.....it will take time to verify the the steps to good results work.
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DeleteDear LSD. I don’t find a consensus on whether there will be a recession or even a long term recession. Some say the recovery will be a V, some say a U, or a WW, or even an L. Assuming the markets are future-looking let’s look at the historical P/E averages and compare to today’s and a year ago.
ReplyDelete• DJIA historical average ≈ 16; today’s ≈ 19. (+18%) A year ago ≈ 18.
• S&P 500 historical average ≈ 19; today’s ≈ 23. (+21%) A year ago ≈ 22.
• Nasdaq historical average ≈ 22; today’s ≈ 27. (+23%) A year ago ≈ 24.
The three markets’ current P/E’s are above their historical averages but overall not much different than a year ago before the CV-19 et al and recent volatile market volatility. The markets didn’t see/forecast the CV-19 gray(?) swan event and might not see a prolonged recession, but if the wisdom sez the markets are future-look’n they’re not seeing a big bad recession.
Thanks dear Chicken of the Sea, A very astute analysis for someone who spends so much time under water. It will be great fun as the days unfold for us to see how the market comes to digest information. While an efficient market ought to have already digested what are bound to be some very dismal earnings and output actual reports for April and May -- I am not sure they have. To the extent that bad future reports and announcements are taken as negative shocks in months ahead, the market could well swoon more than you think. It will be "fun" watching all this play out. We are living now in what will become a section of a future history book!
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ReplyDeleteWhat's the saying "It's different this time" I don't think so we're in a major bear market and now experiencing a typical violent upward correction BUT don't be fooled. The damage is done as usual the federal government is throwing trillion of stimulus actualy trillions, and trillions. Our debt load is more than out GDP not a good situation actually banana republic behavior. The last decade while times were good what did we do load on more debt more buy backs more of everything. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see us coming out of this anytime soon. At some point we won't be able to print our out of this mess.
David Perez
Thanks David. I am not a big fan of all this debt either.People use the "emergency" or "war"as an excuse to take bigger risks but they haven't thought much about what happens when you have to deal with all that debt. It is hard to imagine economic growth for at least a decade. We are not a banana republic and we cannot just declare a US bankruptcy.
DeleteDear Larry,
ReplyDeleteI should have known when you went West that the Economy would go South.
Notwithstanding I must shoulder some of the blame since Homitz and I have been quaffing copious quantities of New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc, a naughty little wine, no breeding of course but you would be amused by its pretensions.
The splendid isolation imposed on us by our fearless leaders precluded assembly at our habitual haunt in Jones corner at the Office Bar and Grill where your substantial presence with JD would have been sorely missed.
But I digress. The matter of what the future holds needs a visit to the Oracle. These days it is called a Model. The Altar has been upgraded to a key-board and the attendant priesthood are called Geeks, from the original Greeks. In both cases they spoke, and still do, an unintelligible language with words like algorithm, terabyte and eureka so none of us have a clue what they’re on about, and then as now one is required to make offerings which are now called data and can be expensive to round up like goats. The Geeks feed the Model or Oracle with the data along with appropriate rituals and incantations, before interpreting the digested data whether chicken viscera (then) or spaghetti charts (now) to reveal future stock market or sea levels, climate futures, hurricane tracks or covid-19 death tolls.
If you are lucky you may even catch a glimpse of a vestal virgin which is exciting but won't do you any good!
Not sure about the Oracle status in your new neighborhood but there must be a bunch of Models there. Isn’t Seattle the seat of the High Priest Bill Gates?
Cheers
Harvey H. Homitz
Dear Michael/Harvey, Luckily I check my junk mail folder religiously and found your latest and was able to save it and post it herewith above inasmuch. I too miss those juvenile and careless days huddled around the Office Bar. No vestal virgins around here right now but the geese seem to be enjoying nesting time and have brought forth a gaggle of goslings for the gaggle of gawkers walking circles around Green Lake. I hope you are well and will slap some sense into our other brothers huddled there on Sanibel with noting to do but drink and walk on the world's most beautiful beaches.
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