First, winning
elections is not mainly about demographics. It is true that we have more people
voting who are not white middle age males. But any voting group you can mention
is not a homogeneous block. Each group has its liberals, conservatives, and
centrists. Obama lost votes in 2010 because he lost centrists. He won more
votes in 2012 because he won centrists. In my opinion, Republicans have not
forever lost these centrists. They do not have to give up their principles in
order to attract them back to Republican candidates and policies. But they do
have to change their approach.
Second,
conservatives need to give up on this “takers” thing. Hey Joe Taker – you are a
selfish meathead. By the way, please vote for me. Really? Calling 47% of them
names and then asking them to vote for you? An entitlement is government
spending going to a person because a law specifies that that person is eligible
for government assistance.
You don’t have
to be a wild and crazy liberal to believe that government help is good for the
country. One entitlement is the social security benefit. Most of us who receive
this benefit believe we “earned” it by dutifully paying payroll taxes to the US
government for half a century – despite the fact that social security is not an
insurance program. We are “takers” in
the sense that we receive assistance from the government – but we are NOT
takers in the pejorative sense said or implied by some conservatives.
Social security benefits are not a plot to rob the rich, but that does not mean that we cannot discuss and criticize social security. Perhaps we can raise the age of eligibility. Perhaps we can make it more progressive. Maybe we can make it work better. Such critical analysis would be beneficial for social security – and for all government entitlements. The government, like any other organization, is far from being perfect. A poverty benefit might go to a family that has temporary economic problems. They need to be tided over. That seems very reasonable to me. I wouldn’t brand such a family a “taker”. But a poverty program that somehow creates more poverty rather than less through poor administration or poorly designed incentives – ought to be reformed. Poverty programs should create less poverty – not more. They should help people escape poverty not be imprisoned by it.
My point is
that the whole “takers” issue needs to be ended and replaced with one that is
less sensational and more correct. EVERY government spending program and every
tax source needs to be reconsidered for reform. Is it crazy and dangerous to
admit that government programs can create perverse incentives that lead to
unnecessary and damaging government spending growth? Do we not have plenty of
data from the last 75 years to show which programs have been successful and
which have not? Republicans, it seems to me, have plenty of ammo in that data. They
can focus on all those cases where policy has failed to succeed. They can focus
on all the examples of unintended consequences. They can focus on the facts and
how the facts show that policies have failed.
The third
point is once they have pointed out the failures of too much government growth,
they can explain the conservative case for improving social outcomes and government
services. We are not going to get rid of a government that spends $4 trillion
annually. But Republicans can show that they have BETTER policies – better ways
to solve the problems of pensions, healthcare, poverty, energy, immigration,
and so on. The focus is SOLVING problems. Reagan is famous because he said
government was the problem and he explained how slower government growth could
solve our national problems. Today’s Republicans need to speak with a clear and
powerful voice.
Republican
solutions often stem from very different assumptions about human behavior and
about how government can impact those behaviors. There is nothing mean or selfish
about teaching a person how to fish. There is nothing mean or selfish in
pointing out how some programs have done just the opposite. Self-confidence is
a great goal. Liberals often point out that self-confidence can be generated or
restored though government entitlements. But sometimes these entitlements do
the very opposite when they reduce the incentive to go beyond government
payments.
This is not
about takers. It is about the best way to use government to solve national
problems. Conservatives have nothing to be ashamed of – they just need to quit
pointing fingers at takers and explain why conservative remedies and less growth
in government are the best ways to help people.
Some
conservatives will react to the above by saying the game is over. They repeat
the idea that the takers are now in the majority. Once in the majority it seems
there is no end or limit to how much more they can take from the richer
minority. But the data for this assumption is weak. As I said above all the
so-called groups of takers include many centrists. These people understand that
too much selfish taking hurts the country and often hurts the very people who
receive the government benefits. But these centrists will vote for people who
appear to have the best solutions. Obama and the Democrats wooed them in 2012.
I think Obama’s case is weak and grows weaker each day. But it is the
Republicans who must make their case now. They must stop calling people names
and get down to the mundane business of showing vividly how and why government
programs must be reformed so that we have an effective social state that pays
for itself and attempts to solve mankind’s most pressing problems.
Final note.
The Wall Street Journal is a library
of data, case studies and other forms of evidence that reveal countless
failures of government as well as positive advice on alternative solutions. But
the WSJ and other similar outlets do
not have the same reach as the many more liberal paper and electronic media
outlets. Republicans need to find new and better ways to summarize, condense,
or otherwise package all this great research and information and disseminate it
to a larger public. Quit talking about takers and quit looking down at our
people. Let’s raise our collective consciousness about a better way to run this
country.
Being a slightly conservative moderate, I can agree. Let's use the stuff that works to fulfill the objectives of this country. What are those objectives? Upon what were they formed. In 1776 ..even as the constitution was beginning to be written there were conflicting agenda and objectives. With exception of slavery, the vigorous discussions of all representatives created the long lasting model we have today. A model which has been flexible enough to adapt to changing times. Change defined by social and technological events...from agriculture to manufacturing to service and who knows what is next.
ReplyDeleteThen the special interest gained hold because politics become too expensive to maintain and to replace those elected for who they knew rather than what they wanted to do....we had ideologues sprout up on both sides wearing blinders. Stalemate. The people who want to make it work were and continue to be drowned out.
You are right, The R's are our salvation but they do not have a good voice to waken the populous. Reagan was a voice and maybe others who are willing to do the work and gain the confidence.
Right on, Larry !
ReplyDeleteDear LSD. Your message has been making the rounds on the talking heads shows since the election, with conservative-leaning shows giving it slightly more voice than left-leaning shows who mainly ridicule it. A R victory for the WH in 2016 and Senate/House in 2014 will require more than more effective messaging/communication. Several folks in the know and on the talking heads circuit have said that R values of self-reliance et al actually are in the best interests of blacks, Latinos, and Jews—traditional voting blocks for D—but that they vote D anyway.
ReplyDeleteI thought last election’s R messaging was pretty good (except of course Romney’s 47% quip that Obummer’s guys exploited very effectively), explaining the fallacy, hypocrisy, outright lying, spinning, and many failures and broken promises of the O administration and campaign. I thought it pretty logical, sensible. But it could not overcome the emotional appeal of class warfare, promise of more free stuff, and in particular the significance to blacks of keeping their first guy in office lest he be branded a failure. All of this defies logic.
Strip the R message to the bone and you find appeal to logic and reason. It’s like eating saltine crackers by themselves. Not very appealing.
Strip the D message to the bone and find sympathy for the disenfranchised, needy, the exploited—at the hands of the greedy corporations and 1% (can you say Republicans?). Add to that the warm and loving embrace of the liberal media and you have a massive PR machine, unmatched, unparalleled, and unbeatable. It’s like eating cotton candy—not much substance but shure is good.
Trying to wrap the R message of self-reliance and less govomit in a cotton candy-like wrapper will be transparent. No one will want a saltine cracker no matter how pretty is it packaged—it’ll still be tasteless and dry.
Give up the ship? The only hope—and maybe the last hope—is the House as a speed bump along the road to bigger govomit. It’s only a matter of time till it too falls—it’s just one election away.
Dear Charles,
ReplyDeleteI think you missed my main point. It is not about lecturing people about self-reliance. It is not about Obama's incessant lies and pandering. It is all about finding a better way to continue publishing all the real negative outcomes that arise from too much government. These negative effects are both personal and national. They are ruining our people and our nation. A refocus away from debates on Obama's terms and more towards all the horrors of too much government will sway moderates and probably even a few liberals. Tis is what Nixon tried to do for a while after all that government growth in the 1960s. This is what Reagan did after Carter. Fast government growth really hurt people in the 60s and 70s -- it was not hard to make the case. We can do it again....
Dear LSD. I might have missed your point—that the Rs need to stop bad mouthing the 47%, beneficiaries, and recipients of big govomit and start talking about the downside of big govomit and upside of smaller govomit. Well, OK . . . . so let me see if I can ‘unnerstand that . . . the Rs need to sweet-talk the the 47%, beneficiaries, and recipients of big govomit and try to convince them to give up the free stuff ‘n candy. Hm-m-m, I jes don’t think the Rs can candy-wrap that message sufficiently so that the 47%, beneficiaries, and recipients of big govomit won’t be able to see through the transparent candy-wrapper. Guess we’ll find out Nov. 9th 2016, eh?
ReplyDeleteCharles,
DeleteMost of our friends are living off social security, medicare and maybe more -- are we part of the 47% and vote in proportion to all the "free stuff 'n candy" we get?
Ha, Ha, and Ha. Thanks for the laughs.
ReplyDeleteAlthough it is true that R's could point out what did not work in gov't entitlements and improve, so can D's.
Reagan (and Thatcher, and Bush I & II) said gov't is the problem, and they showed it clearly, by creating the "hughest" budget deficits and public debt of their time... for all his worth, the "tax & spending" Clinton left the country with surpluses. Now how about that?
The R's policy (which Obummer continued) is crippling the country in the long run. But R's continue to follow the economic taliban path of blaming the fading middle class they call "moochers", when the real moochers are the banksters they support and give, er, entitlements.
Why some houndreds of dollars of child support benefits is "mooching" but receiving billion in bailouts is not?
Thanks Martti,
DeleteAs you well know most of Clinton's largess came from a Dotcom revolution and subsequent growth that he had nothing to do with. I wrote a blog about that last year. With respect to Reagan he got duped by Ds who got a spending increase with a promise of future tax increases. Sounds familiar to what Obama is saying today. But you raise a valuable point -- neither party can be totally trusted to spend wisely.
Fair enough. But anyway it was taxed properly so it also generated revenue for the Gov't. Clinton also had his share of war, pardon me, Defence spending.
DeleteOne might argue that there was a similar bubble growth during Bush II, yet the deficit grew and grew and...
OK, I bow to thee and will try penitence by searching your thoughts on the case! :D
on a footnote: I am really concerned about the "sequestring" thing. I have seen what indiscriminate cuts accross the board have provoked in Southern Europe...
Martti,
DeleteI think both of us are agreeing that most modern US presidents have found strong government growth -- whether they fought against it or not. I think Reagan tried harder than others and got less credit -- while Clinton tried less hard but got excessive credit. But a good point is that whether it is entitlements or corporatism -- government tends to grow. Which is why we have your footnote -- about the sequester. The sequester is tiny compared to what Greece and Italy have gone through. But it will hurt the groups singled out -- which is why Congress needs some legislation that focuses on spending in a more effective and fair way. Unlike Europe, the US has the luxury of being able to draw out its spending slowdown -- but it needs to start that process right away. Unfortunately we have too many in government protecting their many constituents. And the President is not helping matters with his continued rhetoric about rich people. He got one take hike already and he could easily get some tax reform - if only he would take a more reasonable stance on long term spending on entitlements.
Hey, Martti. I’m glad we can provide some humor for you, and glad to hear from someone other than myself, James, and the Fuzzmeister . . . oh, and of course, our headmaster, Mr. LSD.
ReplyDeleteI’ve often wunnered why so few who favor the D philosophy over the R philosophy—which I assume you do—don’t weigh in on LSD’s blog. Thanks, ‘cause I’m always interested in what the other side has to say, how it is said/presented, and justified.
Of course, there is some accuracy (“truth” is too inappropriate in this context and certainly not synonymous with “accuracy”) to what you said about Reagan, Thatcher, and the Bushes’ deficits. LSD briefly responded to your statement about Clinton’s surplus . . . which, BTW, is that it was buoyed largely by stock churn and the short-term capital gains tax revenue thusly produced. Ds, liberals, progressives, and regressives somehow and conveniently don’t mention that inconvenient truth (er, accuracy) when lustily recalling/comparing Clinton’s shining legacy.
Reagan/Bushes’ “hughest” budget deficits. Hardly. Bush I deficit as % of GDP averaged 2.7%. Bush II as % of GDP averaged 4.2%. Obummer as % of GNP averaging 8.9%. Don’t have Thatchers. Another inconvenient truth (er, accuracy), this one about Reagan—which Ds, liberals, progressives, and regressives somehow and conveniently don’t mention—is that his policies (e.g. lowering marginal tax rates with 1986 tax revisions) produced the largest, longest economic recovery ever—and the demise of the Soviet Union without firing a shot. He did that by beefing up defense spending that was not offset by Ds, liberals, progressives, and regressives (broken ) promises to cut spending elsewhere.
Bush I budget deficit @ term end 1993 = $255 billion. H-m-m-m-m some big deficit there.
Bush II budget deficit @ term end 2009 = $1.413 trillion. See following paragraph.
Obummer budget deficit @ end 2012 = $1.327 trillion. Hey, you didn’t mention Obummer’s big spending just under Bush II’s—another inconvenient truth (er, accuracy)?
Bush II was a disappointment in that he enlarged govomit via two wars; so you could argue his is R in name only. He broke ranks; Rs are supposed to reduce govomit; but haven’t been able to reach a compromise with Ds, liberals, progressives, and regressives who blatantly advocate govomit largess.
The Rs policy “crippling” the country? You jest, for shure. Oh, yeah, we don’t have a spending problem but a revenue problem. Sorry, I fergot.
Moochers? Child support? Shurely you can acknowledge those are emotionally-charged words void of any relevance to R philosophy/doctrine, to be honest, fair and balanced, eh?
Banksters getting bailed out by Rs? . . . er, maybe you’ve been AWOL last 5 years. Other than Hank Paulsen’s (R) last great giveaway, all the bailout has occurred on Obummer’s watch, can you say GM, AIG, BoA, Citi, Goldman, Morgan Stanley, Freddy/Fanny, Wells Fargo, and on and on and on. Obummer will go down in history as the Great Candy Man.
Martti; Ds, liberals, progressives, and regressives like to throw emotional-charged statements around without any factual support or context. Try full disclosure, context, and fair and balanced. Try a little sunshine and transparency . . . oh, and honesty . . . . don’t break those promises to reduce spending in exchange for tax increases, eh?
That that you dismiss my question involving a very simple "bailout millions to super-rich" vs. "child care (or the social benefit you prefer) dozens to middle class" speaks volumes.
DeleteYOU try full disclosure, context, and fair and balanced while addressing other. Comparing Obummer's deficits, coming from the near-death of 2008 with what happened in the 80s... (a "recession by design" to stop inflation and kick-start the American economy--you should have paid attention to LSD's class!) and you have the nerve to talk about honesty?
No, I don't defend Obummer crazy economic "policy", but I am not stupid.
Now I am going to leave you talking to yourself, which is what you actually like.
In the near corner -- Charles in the red trunks. In the far corner is Martti in the blue trunks. Ding.
ReplyDeleteYellow trunks for me, pa-lease! :D
DeleteDear Martii,
ReplyDeleteIn America we associate yellow with chicken -- and that often computes to coward. So I would never put you in yellow trunks! How about chartruse? I won't get in the middle of you and Charles but I must say I love it when others get after each other in the blog. Thanks for your participation.
Larry
Dear Larry,
DeleteIn the USA you associated red with communism.
Now for some idiotic reason (whatever rationalisation one can find) you associate it with... the GOP!
So, in line with that, I guess that yellow, which WAS associated with cowardice, is NOW associated with... courage!
But seriously, Larry, this is why I proudly choose the yellow trunks (and I thought you'd knew)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Martti,
ReplyDeleteThe wiki site reminded me that the word liberal has evolved over time. At least in the US some of us who call ourselves conservatives today fit the description of liberals a hundred years ago....no I didn't know about yellow and liberalism. Thanks for the colorful education!