As you know, I love looking at data as much as gazing upon a curvy bottle of Jack (Daniels). Stock
market values have been quite volatile lately and have gotten a lot of
attention. At the center of that attention was the previous very high value of the famous
P/E ratio followed by recent stock values that are lower than
the scum on a Tuna’s belly. While there is nothing wrong with P/Es and looking
at today’s values of stocks, that focus misses a lot.
Suppose you
heard that Nathan gained a bunch of weight. You might say, poor Nathan. He gained all that weight. He must be on the famous Brad diet featuring large Ribeye
steaks and extra-large Guaymas shrimp. But then I tell you the rest of the story – Nathan previously lost 50
pounds when he mistakenly tried exercise for several weeks. My point is that
large changes today are often preceded by opposite large changes of
yesterday.
That caused
me to search around on the Internet for historical values of the S&P 500.
There I learned that the S&P on January 1, 2000 had a value of 1426.* I also
learned that on January 1, 2018, it was 2790. In those 18 years, the S&P 500
value had almost doubled. Groovy. I took out my Casio fx-300ES and learned
that the increase over those 18 years was about 4% per year. If you thought the
stock market at the beginning of 2018 was over-valued, then I would say, yeah, but
it only produced a 4% annual rate of growth over all those years.
Then I
looked at more of the data. I found that after hitting 1426 in 2000, the S&P
500 never exceeded 1426 until 2013 (I was looking
at monthly values of the S&P on the first day of
each month). It came close to 1426 on January 1, 2007, but then the world fell
apart. Wow. Basically zero growth in the S&P for 13 years!
I wondered
what normal growth would have produced over those 13 years. Starting at 1426 in
January 2000, if the market grew at an annual compounded rate of 4%, it would
have hit 2375 by 2013. If it had grown at an annual compounded rate of 6%, it
would have reached 3042 by January 1, 2013. In 2013, it was neither 2375
nor 3042 – it was stuck at the level reached in 2000!
Key point: With such horrible past performance, it does not seem crazy that the S&P 500 would
recover after 2013. It does not seem weird that it would make up for more than
a decade of lost growth. From a value of 1480 in 2013, it rose to 2790 in the next
five years. Yes, that is a big increase. Yes, that is almost a doubling of the
market. But if you consider the annual compounded rate between 2000 and 2018, it is
less than 4% per year. If it had risen over those 18 years by a respectable 6%
compounded annually, it would have reached 4070 by January 2018.
As I write
today the market is closing in on 2800. Is that too high or too low? I don’t know.
But I do know that markets go up and down. Surely today’s values are very high
compared to the very low point after the last global recession. But they do not
seem out of line when you take a longer view of 18 years.
* The data I used are monthly values on the first day of each month. If the S&P 500 had higher or lower values than on the first day during the month, then some of my comparisons might not be valid. I think the overall trends and conclusions are fine. The data came from http://www.multpl.com/s-p-500-historical-prices/table/by-year
* The data I used are monthly values on the first day of each month. If the S&P 500 had higher or lower values than on the first day during the month, then some of my comparisons might not be valid. I think the overall trends and conclusions are fine. The data came from http://www.multpl.com/s-p-500-historical-prices/table/by-year
Dear LSD. I take exception to the reference to my belly scum as a measure of “lowness”; I go a lot of effort to maintain a modicum of cleanliness (occasionally rubbing up against barnacles) and anyway scum is neither here nor there as a measure of altitude. But, we all know that the lowest stuff is whale poop.
ReplyDeleteHeck, at the end of the Great Depression 1940 the S&P wuz 12. There’s been a lot-0-highs-‘n-lows since 1940 and in the next 80 years there’ll be a lot-0-whale poop and more highs. Presently the S&P and other markets are nearing new highs and yepper they’ll all go down at some point. Too high or too low?—irrelevant. Markets will continue to increase at alternating rates/volatility until the sea gulls come home. Yes, focusing only on P/E misses a lot—like the inner-workings and hidden mechanisms that affect economic growth and ultimately market performance. Had the recent great recession, trade dust ups, U.S. political spatz, Brexit, and Fed rate schizophrenia not occurred your S&P likely would have hit 4070 January 2018.
Oooo, there’s a nice bunch-0-barnacles.
Its always nice to get the Tuna's perspective -- especially about whale poop. That added a certain panache to the blog. P/Es are certainly useful indicators but like most simple indicators, they tell you little about the future course of stock prices. Like you I'd prefer some wider stories about what's impacting the current and future business environment. Keep on swimming.
DeleteThe compound growth from 1426 to 2790 is 3.8% which is miserable. Going from 1480 in 2013 to 2790 in 2018 is 11.1%. But, but at any point in its history, the past is not relevant for future performance. The market is always determined by the capitalization of future earnings.
ReplyDeleteI will admonish and excuse you for using the word "always." More importantly you discount the possibility that there might be a relationship between past performance and future earnings. I don't buy your "not relevant".
DeleteI'm putting $ into 529s for grandkids. Vanguard has a number of options besides s&p 500. Any suggestions?
ReplyDeleteThat's not my forte. If you have a finance guy that you trust, you should talk to him about your goals. 529s are great. I have one too.
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